Conservative U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said on Tuesday some physical interrogation techniques can be used on a suspect in the event of an imminent threat, such as a hidden bomb about to blow up.
In such cases, "smacking someone in the face" could be justified, the outspoken Scalia told the BBC. "You can't come in smugly and with great self satisfaction and say 'Oh it's torture, and therefore it's no good.'"
Ah, see? When you adamantly refuse to debase yourself and your country by engaging in torture of people who aren't talking, you're not being a moral person. No, you're just being "smug". Because in Scalia's world, abstaining from hitting people who have done nothing--abstaining from hitting people because you think they might have information you want--isn't morality; morality is hating gay people. Something Scalia knows a lot about.
Scalia said that it was "extraordinary" to assume that the U.S. Constitution's ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" also applied to "so-called" torture.
"To begin with the Constitution ... is referring to punishment for crime. And, for example, incarcerating someone indefinitely would certainly be cruel and unusual punishment for a crime," he said in an interview with the Law in Action program on BBC Radio 4.
...WHAT THE FUCK!? You think that torture doesn't qualify as "cruel and unusual punishment"? Then for fuck's sake, what the hell would?
Or is it that you only think it would be unconstitutional if it were handed down as a punishment? So what you're basically saying is that as long as you don't charge these people with anything, it's perfectly permissible to torture them? What on earth is wrong with you?
"I suppose it's the same thing about so-called torture. Is it really so easy to determine that smacking someone in the face to determine where he has hidden the bomb that is about to blow up Los Angeles is prohibited in the Constitution?" he asked.
Look, Scalia--24 is a television program. It is not real. The "ticking time bomb" scenario is such a patent absurdity that it is impossible to take seriously anyone who brings it up as a legitimate excuse for torture. Don't you dare tell us that you're willing to torture people to save lives. You're willing to torture people because you're a sadistic monster.
"It would be absurd to say you couldn't do that. And once you acknowledge that, we're into a different game" Scalia said. "How close does the threat have to be? And how severe can the infliction of pain be?"
No! It is absurd to say that you can do that! Torture is simply not permissible. Forcing testimony from suspects is not permissible. Beating confessions from people is not permissible. Why is this a subject that you have problems with?
[Edit] Oh, hell, it's even worse than I thought. The article I read omitted part of what Scalia considered obviously permissible:
"It seems to me you have to say, as unlikely as that is, it would be absurd to say you couldn't, I don't know, stick something under the fingernail, smack him in the face. It would be absurd to say you couldn't do that," Scalia said in an interview aired Tuesday.
Bold mine.
I... it just... what the hell is wrong with this man? He approves of denailing? What's he going to allow next? Knee-capping?
Think Progress has audio and a partial transcript.
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SOS Portugal SOS.--- Eu Peço Ajuda.--- Para Publicar Por Favor nos Jornais.--- Se Você For Agradavel. -------:---:---:------- Basel 25-3-2004--- Eu sou Refugiado no Distrito, E cidade Basel em Suiça. Eu estou ameaçado, De Morte em Portugal, Da D.G.S.E. de Espanha. Eu sou Inválido, Com muitos problemas de Saúde, E Doente, Também sem Comer, E outras Necessidades.--- Comunicado: A Espanha com a D.G.S.E., Ocupa Portugal Governa, E Mata Portugueses. Mais de 96 Militares da Resistência Portuguesa, Já Desapareceram na Europa. Mais de 30 militares da Resistência Portuguesa, Já Desapareceram nos E.U.A.. Militares da Resistência Portuguesa, E Simpatizantes Desaparecem em Portugal, E no Estrangeiro. Lutando contra a D.G.S.E. de Espanha, Os Capitães de Abril Militares, Já fizeram Revolução, Guerra Civil dia 25 de Abril 1974. A Resistência Militar e Simpatizantes, Continuam a Luta, Contra os Terroristas da Espanha, E da D.G.S.E. de Espanha, Fazem Guerra em Portugal, E em outros Países, Iraque e Afganistão, Estão atingidos fortemente, Outros Sofrem Imenso, E Matam sem saber, Para ter Independência. Não ao Terrorismo de Espanha, Ajude a Resistência Portuguesa, Em Suiça cidade Basel, Ajudai os seus Refugiados, Para não ter a Pide “P.I.D.E./D.G.S.E.”. Para ter Governo em Portugal, Há sua Existência, A ter Liberdade, República Portuguesa, Sim Há Paz, Governo Novo, Há Liberdade. A Espanha quer Ocupar, Os Estados Unidos da America, Reclama 70% do seu Território. Resistência Portuguesa Pede, Asilo Político. Resistência Portuguesa Pede, Dinastia Nova em Portugal. Resistência Portuguesa Pede, Tribunal Internacional, Radio Televisivo Direto. Tribunal de Silêncio Mata, Militares e Civis da Resistência, E mantem os Conflitos no Iraque e Afganistão. Tenho Fome, E muitas Necessidades Economicas, Peço o Auxilio, De todo o Mundo. Donativos para a Resistência Portuguesa. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Conta de Épargne UBS CHF --- Nº conta 233-691451.M1F --- Nº de cliente 233-691451 --- Iban CH21 0023 3233 691451M1F --- SWIFT Adresse (BIC): UBSWCHZH80A --- UBS AG --- Postfach, CH 4053 Basel --- Suisse. --- Ou --- Enviar dinheiro para a Anti Pide/D.G.S.E.. Sr. Godinho --- Dornacherstrasse, 245 --- CH 4053 Basel --- Suisse. --- Telefone: 0041 765 450 994. Comuniquem na Imprensa Mundial em especial: Portugal, U.S.A., Turquia, Iraque, Afganistão, Inglaterra, Alemanha, França, Polônia, Rússia, Roménia. Ao não Publicar este Comunicado Mata, Militares e Inocentes, Há quantos meses são Responsáveis. Mais informação da Resistência Portuguesa. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Telefone: 0041 765 450 994 Eu falo Português, E também Francês. -----
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SOS Portugal SOS. - - - Je Demande Aide. - - - Pour publier S'il vous plaît dans les Journaux. - - - Si Tu Est Agréable. -------:---:---:------- Basel 25-3-2004 --- Je suis Réfugié dans le District, Et ville Basel dans la Suisse. Je suis menacé, De Mort dans le Portugal, De la D.G.S.E. d'Espagne. Je suis Invalide, Avec beaucoup de Problèmes de Santé, Et Malade, Aussi sans Manger, Et d'autres Nécessités. - - - Communiqué: L'Espagne avec la D.G.S.E., Occupe le Portugal Gouverne, Et Tue des Portugais. Plus de 96 Militaires de la Résistance Portugaise, Déjà ont Disparu en Europe. Plus de 30 militaires de la Résistance Portugaise, Déjà ont Disparu dans l'E.U.A.. Militaires de la Résistance Portugaise, Et des Sympathisants Disparaissent dans le Portugal, Et à l'en Étranger. En Combattant contre la D.G.S.E. d'Espagne, Les Capitaines d'avril Militaires, Ils déjà ont fait Révolution, Guerre Civile jour 25 de Avril 1974. La Résistance Militaire et Sympathisants, Ils Continuent la Lutte, Contre les Terroristes de l'Espagne, Et de la D.G.S.E. d'Espagne, Ils Font Guerre dans le Portugal, Et dans autres Pays, En Irak et Afghanistan, Ils sont atteints fortement, D'autres Souffrent Immense, Ils et Tuent sans savoir, Pour avoir de l'Indépendance. Non au Terrorisme d'Espagne, Aide à Résistance Portugaise, Dans la Suisse la ville Basel, Aident leurs Réfugiés, Pour que n'aient pas à Pide "P.I.D.E./D.G.S.E.". Pour avoir le Gouvernement dans le Portugal, Y a son Existence, À avoir de la Liberté, La République Portugaise, Oui Y a Paix, Gouvernement Nouveau, Y a la Liberté. L'Espagne veut Occuper, Les États-Unis de l'Amérique, Se plaint 70% de son Territoire. Résistance Portugaise Demande, Asile Politique. Résistance Portugaise Demande, Dynastie Nouvelle dans le Portugal. Résistance Portugaise Demande, Tribunal International, Radio Télévisé Direct. Tribunal de Silence Tue, Des Militaires et Civils de la Résistance, Et maintient les Conflits au Irak et en Afghanistan. J'ai Faim, Et beaucoup de Nécessités Économiques, Je Demande l'Aide, Á tout le Monde. Donations pour la Résistance Portugaise. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Compte d'Épargne UBS CHF --- Nº de compte 233-691451.M1F --- Nº de client 233-691451 --- IBAN: CH21 0023 3233 6914 51M1F --- SWIFT Adresse (BIC): UBSWCHZH80A --- UBS AG --- Postfach, CH 4053 Basel --- Suisse. --- Ou --- Envoyer argent pour l'Anti Pide/D.G.S.E.. Mr. Godinho --- Dornacherstrasse, 245 --- CH 4053 Basel --- Suisse. --- Téléphone: 0041 765 450 994. Communiquent dans la Presse Mondiale en particulier: Portugal, U.S.A., Turquie, Irak, Afghanistan, Angleterre, Allemagne, France, Pologne, Russie, Roumanie. À ne pas Publier à ce Communiqué Tue, Des Militaires et Innocents, Y a combien de mois sont Responsables. Plus informations de la Résistance Portugaise. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Téléphone: 0041 765 450 994 Je parle Portugais, Et aussi Français. –
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SOS Portugal SOS. - - - Ich Verlange Hilfe. - - - Um bitte in den Zeitungen zu Veröffentlichen. - - - Wenn du Angenehm bist. -------:---:---:------- Basel 25-3-2004 --- Ich bin Flüchtling im Distrikt, Und Basel-Stadt in der Schweiz. Ich werde Bedroht, Von Tod in Portugal, Vom D.G.S.E. von Spanien. Ich bin Invalid, Mit vielen Gesundheitsproblemen, Und Krankem, Auch, Ohne zu Essen, Und von anderen Bedürfnissen. - - - Mitteilung: Spanien mit dem D.G.S.E., Besetzen Sie Portugal Leitet, Und Tötet Portugiesen. Mehr als 96 Militärische des Portugiesischen Widerstandes, Schon in Europa Verschwunden sind. Mehr als 30 Militärische des Portugiesischen Widerstandes, Schon im E.U.A. Verschwunden sind. Militärische des Portugiesischen Widerstandes, Und von Gleichgesinnte Verschwinden in Portugal, Und an in Fremden. Indem man Gegen das D.G.S.E. von Spanien bekämpft, Die Militärkapitäne vom April, Schon machten Revolution, Bürgerkrieg tag 25 April 1974. Der Militärwiderstand und Gleichgesinnte, Sie setzen den Kampf fort, Gegen die Spanischen Terrorist, Und vom D.G.S.E. von Spanien, Sie machen Krieg in Portugal, Und in anderen Ländern, In Irak und Afghanistan, Sie werden stark erreicht, Andere leiden Unermesslich, Und Töten, Ohne zu Wissen, Um Unabhängigkeit zu haben. Nein zum Terrorismus von Spanien, Portugiesische Hilfe für Widerstand, In der Schweiz der Basel-Stadt, Helfen Ihre Flüchtlinge, Damit nicht an Pide haben. "P.I.D.E./D.G.S.E.". Um die Regierung in Portugal zu haben, Dort hat seine Existenz, Von der Freiheit zu haben, Die Portugiesische Republik, Ja Neue Regierung, Hat Dort Frieden, Dort hat die Freiheit. Spanien will besetzen, Die Vereinigten Staaten Amerikas, Beklagt sich 70% von seinem Territorium. Portugiesischer Widerstand Verlangt, Politisches Asyl. Portugiesischer Widerstand Verlangt, Neue Dynastie in Portugal. Portugiesischer Widerstand Verlangt, Internationales Gericht, Radio im Fernsehen übertragen Direkt. Stillengericht tötet, Militärische und Zivilisten des Widerstandes, Und erhält Konflikte in Irak und in Afghanistan aufrecht. Ich habe Hunger, Und viele Wirtschaftliche Bedürfnisse, Ich Verlange die Hilfe, An Jedem. Schenkungen für den Portugiesischen Widerstand. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Compte d'Épargne UBS CHF --- N° des Kontos 233-691451.M1F --- Nº des Kunden 233-691451 --- IBAN: CH21 0023 3233 6914 51M1F --- SWIFT Adresse (BIC): UBSWCHZH80A --- UBS AG --- Postfach, CH 4053 Basel --- Schweiz. --- Oder --- Senden Geld für Anti Pide/D.G.S.E.. Herr. Godinho --- Dornacherstrasse, 245 --- CH 4053 Basel --- Schweiz. --- Telefon: 0041 765 450 994. Teilen in der weltweiten Presse insbesondere mit: Portugal, U.S.A., Türkei, Irak, Afghanistan, England, Deutschland, Frankreich, Polen, Russland, Rumänien. Nicht in dieser Mitteilung zu Veröffentlichen Tötet, Unschuldige Militärische und, Hat dort, wie viel Monate Verantwortlich sind. Mehr Informationen des Portugiesischen Widerstandes. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Telefon: 0041 765 450 994 Ich spreche Portugiesisch, Und auch Französisch. ------
Freiheit, Demokratie, Justiz, die Presse, Humanitäre Rechte. Ja. -----
Diktaturen, PIDE/D.G.S.E., Tortur, Hunger, Bestechung. Nein Danke. -----
Ich Antrag das Asyl, das Geld, Kranke und Invalide mit dem Hunger vor dem Gericht mit Schulden. -----
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SOS Portugal SOS.--- I Ask For Help.--- Please To Publish Into The Newspapers.--- If You were Pleasant.-------:---:---:------- Basel 25-3-2004 --- I am Refugee in the District, And Basel city in Switzerland. I am Threatened, Of Death in Portugal, Of the D.G.S.E. of Spain. I am Invalid, With many problems of Health, And Sick, Also Without Eating, And other Necessities.--- Official notice: Spain with the D.G.S.E., Occupies Portugal Governs, And kills Portuguese. More than 96 Military of Portuguese Resistance, Already Disappeared in the Europe. More than 30 Military of Portuguese Resistance, Already Disappeared in the U.S.A.. Military of the Portuguese Resistance, And the Sympathizers Disappear in Portugal, And in Foreigner. Fighting, Against the D.G.S.E. of Spain, The Military Captains of April, They already made Revolution, Civil War day 25 of April 1974. Military Resistance and Sympathizers, They Continues the Fight, Against the Terrorists of Spain, And of the D.G.S.E. of Spain, They make War in Portugal, And in other Countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, They are reached Strong, Others Suffer Immense, And kill without knowing, To have Independence. Not to the Terrorism of Spain, It helps to the Portuguese Resistance, In Switzerland of the Basel city, You help its Refugee, Not to have Pide "P.I.D.E./D.G.S.E.". To have Government in Portugal, It has its Existence, To have Freedom, Portuguese Republic, Yes It has Peace, New Government, It has Freedom. Spain wants to Occupy, The United States of America, It complains 70% of its territory. Portuguese Resistance Requires, Political asylum. Portuguese Resistance Requires, New Dynasty in Portugal. Portuguese Resistance Requires, International Court, Televising Radio Direct. Court of Silence kills, Military and Civilians of the Resistance, And maintains the Conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have Hunger, And many Economic Necessities, I ask for the Assistance, Of the whole world. Donations for the Portuguese Resistance. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Account of Épargne UBS CHF --- Nº of account 233-691451.M1F --- Nº of customer 233-691451 --- IBAN: CH21 0023 3233 6914 51M1F --- SWIFT Adresse (BIC): UBSWCHZH80A --- UBS AG --- Postfach, CH 4053 Basel --- Switzerland. --- Or --- To send money for the Anti Pide/D.G.S.E.. Sir. Godinho --- Dornacherstrasse, 245 --- CH 4053 Basel --- Switzerland. --- Telephone: 0041 765 450 994. Communicate in the World Press in special: Portugal, U.S.A., Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, England, Germany, France, Poland, Russia, Romania. To not Publishing this Official Notice it kills, Military and Innocents, It has how many months are Responsible. More information of the Portuguese Resistance. Hilário Vicente Rosa Godinho --- Telephone: 0041 765 450 994 I speak Portuguese, And also French. -----
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